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Lothlorian Sassun · Jun 30, 2008, 09:20 PM // 21:20

Perma Sins that don't farm Ecto???

Although I'm sure you can farm allot more than ecto with a perma sin. But I don't see where that would be more profitable.

Age · Jun 30, 2008, 10:13 PM // 22:13

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Originally Posted by Hugh Manatee

They put scarabs where the griffons used to be, dying nightmares in the UW to deal with 55s... just stick one or two new popup things(maybe a chaos nightmare or rework the current dyings with vamp touch) with natures renewal, EW, leech sig, PBAoE, Signet of Humility, vamp touch, touch of agony+dark aura, ligtning touch, shoch(heck, put a charged blackness patroll on the plains) or any of that, the SF sin still remains viable for tons of other stuff(just like the 55, terras, W/rts, ect) the run is no longer broken, and the price of ecto stabilizes, and we still get to have fun with SF as a viable pve skill.

I haven't tried PSF in the UW yet(I always get lost down there), I've used it to farm tengu for golds, runes and feathers(something a Rt can do too), elite kournans in the fortress of jahai(something a 55 can pull off), various bosses(which SF could always have killed, or various other boss farm builds from the wiki farm section) and blatant farm mobs(trolls, raptors, hulking eles, Charr, ect.) It's not that much more powerful then a 55, it can just farm a few things that would normally strip enchants, but it will get rolled by touch skills, PBAoE, certain spirits and shouts, signets, ect.

I wouldn't go that far as there use to be other duel builds or 4 man groups that farmed down there.

Permsins should not be able to avoid all of the countors in Lornar's Pass as well.

Shadowmoon · Jun 30, 2008, 10:32 PM // 22:32

People don't care about balance unless it starts hurting their pocket books. No one cares that you can farm ectos with the build, it that it lower the value of them.
Where was the call for balance when 600/smite could do CoF easily. This drop the price of relics from 15k each to 2k. Or that the majority of dungeons can be 2-3 man using 600/smite/utility ranger. Or that warriors can solo most of tyria.

Tom Swift · Jun 30, 2008, 10:38 PM // 22:38

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

People don't care about balance unless it starts hurting their pocket books. No one cares that you can farm ectos with the build, it that it lower the value of them.
Where was the call for balance when 600/smite could do CoF easily. This drop the price of relics from 15k each to 2k. Or that the majority of dungeons can be 2-3 man using 600/smite/utility ranger. Or that warriors can solo most of tyria.

Exactly! all the complaints about "invulnerability" and "god mode" are really just cover ups for people upset that ectos are being farmed too easily and are losing value. I agree that particular use is too powerful but, outside the chaos plains, the perma sin simply isn't a problem.

BuD · Jun 30, 2008, 10:50 PM // 22:50

[sarcasm]Oh noes my duped stacks of ectos are losing value fast!...Nerf SF![/sarcasm]

[DE] · Jun 30, 2008, 10:54 PM // 22:54

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What do you think about permasins who DON'T farm ectos?

I think they're stupid for not taking advantage of it while they can.

FrAnt1c² · Jun 30, 2008, 10:56 PM // 22:56

Permasins that dont farm ectos are just plain idiots, but hey, in gw....

MMSDome · Jun 30, 2008, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by FrAnt1c²

Permasins that dont farm ectos are just plain idiots, but hey, in gw....

yes GUILD WARSSSSZZZ

anyway since my vulgar post was deleted I will some up what I said and say that you are a fool not to take advantage of free ecto.

agrios · Jul 01, 2008, 12:13 AM // 00:13

Why so much permasin hate? 55s are on the farming scene since ever and with a few tweaks here and there, still functional. And I see no 55 hate/QQ threads.

But when another class becomes suitable for farming something profitable (like the VwK core farm) it gets the nerfbat. Now everyone is QQ'ing permasins.

Anyone who think permasin is imba, join the wave, make a 55 or develop your own farm.

Thats my 0.02.

ap0c · Jul 01, 2008, 06:37 AM // 06:37

Buff Spellbreaker to a point where you can maintain it.
So monks can farm it to

Game is dead/broken anyway

Oh and give back protective bond, maybe push it to 1e per hit.

Trader of Secrets · Jul 01, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

Permasins that havent taken advantage of the easy ecto farming, insane. The balance is upset; SF is way overpowered. It is by far the best method to farm, mainly ecto. And the reason there is no 55 or 600 "hate-threads" is because these require some skill in some area, and not a maintainable godmode. Also 55 and 600 are slow compared to the permasin.

R.Shayne · Jul 01, 2008, 01:29 PM // 13:29

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Originally Posted by Trader of Secrets

Permasins that havent taken advantage of the easy ecto farming, insane. The balance is upset; SF is way overpowered. It is by far the best method to farm, mainly ecto. And the reason there is no 55 or 600 "hate-threads" is because these require some skill in some area, and not a maintainable godmode. Also 55 and 600 are slow compared to the permasin.

The reason that no one complained much about the 55 solo was because of the demand for ecto needed for FoW armor was still greater than the supply of ecto. Once the demand was no longer there the price of ecto began to fall. It is just like everything else in GW, once the new wears off the price drops.

Looking back at it I have to wonder if the dying nightmare updates happen to save the price of ecto or to stop "55 bots" from farming the underworld for gold sellers. My bet is it was to stop the bots.

As for permasin and farming ecto only, it is not about gold for me anymore so the UW is borring. I am more in it for rare drops and they are better places to hunt for those than the UW. I still need 117 ecto for the last three remaining FoW armor I want but I just can't force myself to go down there more than once a week. Rather take the gold I get from farming other places and just buy the ecto, especially since it is so cheap. As for why not just farm the ecto and buy the rare weapons, it is always better when you get the drop.

I have been using the new permasin to farm colossal scimitars since the only req. 9 colossal scimitar I have ever gotten turn out to have a max undead bane mod, could have screamed.

pumpkin pie · Jul 01, 2008, 03:22 PM // 15:22

don't have an assassin on my primary account, lol... I have a 55 monk on my secondary account, I have not play with it for ages. I made it when i found out that, that's how you make money in Guild Wars way back when.. and well it just isn't what I wanted, and I suspect if I were to have a farming any kind of build/profession it would receive the same treatment as the 55. like my earth elementalist I try it, know it works and that's it, i won't repeatedly do something just to collect some stuffs. thats just not fun.

ps: my elementalist is using the dual attunement /water /air/fire/earth at the moment. its very flexible.

Tyla · Jul 01, 2008, 03:24 PM // 15:24

I think they're not very smart, but this only applies if they don't have the skills to run either of the variations.

Why wouldn't you take advantage of the easiest, fastest and most profitable farm? I don't know, but it's foolish not to do so.

O Nuxtofulakas · Jul 01, 2008, 03:35 PM // 15:35

Why should we think something special about it??
enjoy your class combo and have fun...

odly · Jul 01, 2008, 05:31 PM // 17:31

Permasin is only good for farming and running.
And running is hardly reserved for them.
If you nerf the farming spots you can just as well delete the skill alltogether.

An assassin using a permasin build during normal gameplay is quite useless. They should be dealing damage instead.

On the other hand I have an assassin with which I used to sliverfarm greens in factions. I haven't even tried the new SF out, and I'm not planning to do so in the near future.

spun ducky · Jul 01, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

The UW is most certainly not the end all of farming with the way ecto prices have gone I have found other areas that can make comparable sums of money.(A hint to the old schoolers a farm spot that was nerfed with mesmers in kryta since ectos aren't the only valuable material)

BLOODGOAT · Jul 01, 2008, 05:54 PM // 17:54

All I'm seeing here is Qing about "Godmode" and "permanent invincibility". I guess no one's ever had fun tanking enchantment strippers all day with a 55 monk Arcane Echoing SB for 95% uptime, and covering Prot Spirit during it's down-time.

:/

mazza558 · Jul 01, 2008, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by spun ducky

The UW is most certainly not the end all of farming with the way ecto prices have gone I have found other areas that can make comparable sums of money.(A hint to the old schoolers a farm spot that was nerfed with mesmers in kryta since ectos aren't the only valuable material)

Is this the titan one?

Omnidragon42 · Jul 01, 2008, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Farming ectos got me playing my sin more, but as I played some pve with him to get skills and locations to farm at, I realized that I truly enjoy playing the class. Even if perma-sin gets nerfed, I'll continue playing my sin for the pure joy of teleporting into a mob with death blossom and splinter weapon